Thursday, September 28, 2017

CONSIDERATION VS PERSONAL FREEDOM?

Is it unreasonable or problematic to expect others to have respect or be considerate of their fellow citizens in public spaces? Are manners a form of social control? Throwing the question out there to the masses and let's have a good conversation about this topic.
Also must give props to #NERDSOUL and the Ill Kid himself Michael Young IIfor donating a nice webcam to this show.
Please watch before commenting and YES I KNOW there's a watermark on the screen. I'm currently teaching myself to use various video editing software packages.

1 comment:

Jimbostank said...

To answer your questions, yes consideration does impede personal freedom. I would follow up your video by asking, is personal liberty the most important value?

These are philosophical questions, and I'm not a philosopher. But I'm an at time wanna be philosopher. I know certain philosophies put more weight on people's senses to find truth about the world. I know I there are philosophy regarding seeking pleasure as the top priority, hedonism (I had to google it and there are a lot of forms and variations.

Back to the conversation, if someone's goal in life is to seek pleasure, than being considerate may conflict with there personal freedom (PF). Depending on their sense of pleasure, restrictions to PF would vary. Part of hedonism is avoiding pain, so that would definitely call for being considerate to prevent those ass kicking you mention.

It really comes down to individuals, I'm all for consideration as you are. But I do not value PF over other social norms. I love PF. I support having a large range of PF, just not absolute PF.

Side note about the movie theater example, being quite is a social norm. So another question arise should people follow social norms? If we traveled back to Shakespearean play days crowds were rowdy and that might have increased the entertainment of the show. Personally, I strongly dislike any distractions in a movie theater. During Revenge of the Sith, a person close to me was texting the whole time and I was not very happy about it.

I have two other comments.

First I wasn't sure where you were going with the fighting. I felt you were taking the discussion in the wrong direction. But I couldn't agree more about the results of getting your ass kicked. Most people think and act differently after an ass whooping. I can't say this applies to everyone, but for most of us, we think about why it happened. And sensible people come to the conclusion that it wasn't because of their lack or strength or fighting skills. Ultimately, violence is the most effective way to teach, but it does wonders for managing behaviors.

Last thought, about not blaming the children, can we really blame the parents? Were they not children once who probably weren't at fault for how they were raised? I don't have the answer here because at some point in life, people have to accept responsibility for their actions and life. I just find it hard to blame people. I can't support my next idea with any evidence or data, but I would assume that consideration is strongly correlated to empathy and education. I also know reading is correlated to higher empathy which connects to education, family life, and privilege all things people cannot control when they are young. Maybe growing up to be considerate is just luck of the draw, as are many things.

Well, that was a lot more than I originally expected to write. You bring up a great discussion point. You should look into what the philosophers have to say about PF vs consideration or societal norms.